Exaltation and a Doubting Heart

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Re: Exaltation and a Doubting Heart

Post by Floyd » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:10 pm

One thing I forgot to mention is you have an excellent witness right across the street from you. Wade Christensen is quite the scholar on Brigham Young. He has done quite a bit of research on his own. Wade also can tell you about getting the message that he had to go save Zan right away or he would be killed. He jumped in his truck and raced to where Zan was hanging on for dear life about to be ate by the rock crusher which would have turned Zan into goo. He saved Zan's life. Personal revelation that was. Dina bore her testimony in sacrament meeting giving all the credit to God.

I was talking to Wade one time and mentioned that Zan paid more tithing than anyone else in town. Wade said "That is confidential. How could you possibly know that?" Well, because the Ward Clerk had loose lips and told his wife's brother who I used to go fishing a lot with.

Thing is, the truth is not a secret. But like conservative politics, some people are just too lazy to search for it. Just because the deep state says Obama is a good guy, doesn't make it so. Even though a thousand TV and radio stations tell the same story.

There's nothing wrong with not knowing. But there is something wrong with not looking.

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Re: Exaltation and a Doubting Heart

Post by neighbor » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:02 pm

Speaking of infiltration, we know with 100% certainty that the highest levels of government in every country are infiltrated by people with a world wide agenda that is not in the best interests of the average joe.

We also know with 100% certainty that every organization and corporation of any consequence is infiltrated by the same deep state Luciferians.

Every church is infiltrated. The Pope is a dope and everyone knows it.

This is the time for which the Book of Mormon was written. There is really nothing to worry about unless you happen to be one of the bad guys.

It is no secret that the United States is attacked from within. It is no secret that the church has enemies within, also.

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Re: Exaltation and a Doubting Heart

Post by Floyd » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:18 am

I ran across this essay by Eugene England from 1986. It's kind of a long read, but he explains how the human error or frailties are not really a detriment to the church itself, even though the church itself is made up of morons, idiots, retards, lazy bums, etc.

I think you may be enlightened a tad if you read it.

https://CelestialForum.net/downloads/Af ... the Go.pdf

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Re: Exaltation and a Doubting Heart

Post by learning » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:05 pm

One of the things that some do not realize is that when Lucifer told Eve in the Garden "That there was no other way" he lied.

Jesus was born with the same veil over his mind that Adam and Eve had in the garden. (Isaiah 7:14,15) But Jesus got his eyes opened to know good from evil by resisting temptations, instead of yielding to them. (D&C 20:22; Hebrews 4:15)

This shows that when the devil said “there was no other way,” in the garden, he lied.

Adam and Eve could have had their eyes opened to know good and evil in the garden of Eden without the fall, had they chosen to believe and obey the Father rather than the devil, and resisted the temptation.

For it is the exposure to temptation, and not fruits and trees, that open eyes to know good and evil.

And Adam chose the lesser part, by disobeying the Father and yielding to the temptation of Lucifer.

Again, if Adam had done as the Father had commanded him, and resisted the temptation, he could have had his eyes opened in the garden without transgression, and could have had posterity without the fall, precisely as the Father commanded him from the beginning, in which case the conditions on the earth would have been very similar to those which will prevail in the Millennium. Which in essence constitutes Plan A, from which Adam fell into Plan B.

For if there were no Plan A, there was no fall. (Otherwise what is it that they fell from?)

Without Plan A, the term "fall" is meaningless!

The very use of the term “fall” means there was a Plan A — a better plan, — from which Adam fell.

For if there was no better plan, there was no fall! (Making scriptures null and void).

But there was Plan A,— a better plan indeed, — to which we still can return by following Christ and the Father.

And that’s what Millennium is: a restoration of the earth back to the pre-fall “paradisiacal glory" (Articles of Faith 1:10), something that Adam and Eve could have had from the beginning, had they listened to the Father rather than the devil.

There is a long explanation that is worth the read at: https://ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=43305 in case you are interested.

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