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Revelation 12

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Re: Revelation 12

Post by learning » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:39 am

This guy started a blog to interpret this

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... aimer.html

Revelation 12:
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

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Re: Revelation 12

Post by neighbor » Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:00 pm

from LDSFF

What is supposed to happen on September 23?
On September 23, there is supposed to be a LITERAL fulfillment of Revelation 12. It is said to be the day of: the end of the times of the gentiles, or the re-birth of the kingdom of God, or the ascension of the Davidic servant into heaven.

Where will this sign occur?
This sign will be seen all across the world on September 23. Especially Jerusalem

Has this sign ever occurred before?
This sign has been fulfilled two times before. One at the birth of Jesus Christ and the other in 1833.

Revelation 12
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days

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1 Thessalonians 5:3
3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety;
then sudden destruction cometh upon them,
as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."
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Revelation 12 sign
Verse 1 - the stars will be positioned in Virgo fulfilling this on September 23, 2017
Fall - harvest time - the time of judgement
(the last time this happened was about 7,000 years ago). does this sound symbolic? It’s the Earth's temporal existence.
and verse 2 - The beginning of The Great tribulation starts? 1 day after Yom Teruah the Day of Trumpets.
(1 Thessalonians 5:3)
3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety;then sudden destruction cometh upon them,
as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.")
verse 5 - the "man child". is the Davidic prophet whom the dragon wants to destroy as soon as he appears. (verse 3-4)
verse 6 - "the woman" is the righteous remnant, "where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." (or 3 and a half years)= the time the beast has power and the duration of the tribulation.

The Woman: The Church (of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints)
The Man-child:The (political) Kingdom of God

Isaiah 35
1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God.

Then it would be at this next fulfillment in 2017 where the woman is given eagle wings to fly to safety in the wilderness. If that is the case, then the last part of this prophecy has yet to be fulfilled. The important point is that in spite of every effort of the dragon, those who repent and come unto Christ to become part of His Church will be saved (D&C 10:67).

Here are a list of three times this has occurred and also a list of three meanings of Revelation 12.
Verse five (from the King James Version) was moved to be before verse three (on the JST).

1. The dragon attacks/attacked the man-child soon after is born.
2. The woman is the Church of God or the mortal mother of Christ (Mary)
3. The manchild is the Kingdom of God (could also be the political Kingdom of God).
4. The twelve stars *could* represent the Twelve Apostles

Note that in the JST of Revelation, he interprets “wonders” as “signs” which indicates that the signs are either spiritual or physical in nature.
The Dragon (Draco) constellation contains ⅓ of the sky within the main coil of the tail.
In 1832, venus had taken the place of jupiter, but both symbolize Christ
1 Tishri is supposed to be a few days off on the traditional Hebrew Calendar.
The “Perpetual Hebrew Calendar” is supposed to be fixed version of the traditional Hebrew Calendar
Which means that 1 Tishri is supposed to be September 23
September 23 is the “holiest day” of the year, because its on 9 holy calendars, more than any day of the year.

1st Occurrence
In 1 BC, the birth of Christ

2nd Occurrence
In 1832, when the political Kingdom of God was born

3rd Occurrence
In 2017, the re-birth of the political Kingdom of God

September 23 can be considered a sign, but not the brilliant and great literal sign, just a dull shadow sign. It doesn't literally fulfill Revelation 12; it's just a shadow of the literal fulfillment, which happens later, after Elias stands up.
However, it may presage the appearance of Elias, letting the world know that we are about to move from the times of types and shadows, even from the time of Elias's shadow (Mormonism) into the flesh and blood Elias's time. Once Elias stands up, all the shadows cease. The prophecies reset. They start all over again, but this time everything is fulfilled literally.


Fun Facts about September 23:
1. September 23 is 33 days after the “Great American Eclipse” which took place on August 21. Christ was 33 years old when the preformed the atonement
2. September 23 is on nine holy sacred calendars from nine religions
3. This sign will be covered by the sun the whole day; even so the moon will be covered with the sunlight
4. September 22, 2017, the day before 23/9, it is the 190th anniversary of the beginning of the Times of The Gentiles in the last days

August 21st to September 23:
The birthing pains of the Virgin

It is within a very huge possibility that we could lose President Monson just days before 23/9 or even on the day.


JST of Revelation 12:

1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, in the likeness of things on the earth; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
2 And the woman being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.
4 And there appeared another sign in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman which was delivered, ready to devour her child after it was born.
5 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore years.
6 And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought against Michael;
7 And the dragon prevailed not against Michael, neither the child, nor the woman which was the church of God, who had been delivered of her pains, and brought forth the kingdom of our God and his Christ.
8 Neither was there place found in heaven for the great dragon, who was cast out; that old serpent called the devil, and also called Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth; and his angels were cast out with him.
9 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ;
10 For the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 For they have overcome him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; for they loved not their own lives, but kept the testimony even unto death. Therefore, rejoice O heavens, and ye that dwell in them.
12 And after these things I heard another voice saying, Woe to the inhabiters of the earth, yea, and they who dwell upon the islands of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 For when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man-child.
14 Therefore, to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might flee into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent casteth out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helpeth the woman, and the earth openeth her mouth, and swalloweth up the flood which the dragon casteth out of his mouth.
17 Therefore, the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

AI2.0- LDS Astronomer's take on Sept. 23, 2017 celestial phenomenon

This is an article by John Pratt who gives his insights on this event which will happen in a couple of days. He also says that this sign was seen at the Feast of Trumpets in 2 BC (heralding the birth of the Messiah on April 6, 1 BC), 1832 (heralding the Birth of the political Kingdom of God the coming Passover)and it will happen Sept. 23, 2017. His conclusion is that because this sign comes on the Feast of Trumpets, it heralds an event which will happen in the next year.

Below is the text, but you might want go to the website to view the pictures that go with it.

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/201 ... h_sun.html


ALARIS- The Davidic Servant, Revelation 12, and 9/23/2017

Friends,

I have created a blog. I did not want to, but as difficult as it is to format a blog, it's easier than doing it here and easier on the eyes than reading a lengthy forum post. So without further ado:

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... aimer.html

So this blog is about the sign from Revelation 12 of the crowned woman clothed with the sun that seems to occur on 9/23/2017 and how it may be related to the anointing of the Davidic Servant. Enjoy!


ZION2080- September 23, 2017: Signs in the Heavens!

So I've read through some peoples thoughts and some websites. There is supposed to be a rare/great sign September 23, then the Moon will not shine and the stars will fall/not shine. Here are some websites explaining the event:


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http://escapeallthesethings.com/sept-20 ... lation-12/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am very intrigued by this, yet I believe that September 23rd will be a regular fall day.

But if the additional meteor shower does happen, most people won't know what it means except for us. I'll correct everything wrong I have done lately and hope for the best...


DURZAN- The Signs of the Marred Servant

With the Days of Tribulation almost upon us now, it seems clear to me the time is coming when the church will risk being torn apart by said corruption. We read that in Helaman and 3rd Nephi that it only took a few years for the church established among the nephites to go from being completely righteous to completely wicked... to the point where they were even stoning the prophets, and it all started with just a little bit of pride. Many here have pointed out that the Book of Mormon has a secondary purpose of acting as foreshadowing of our day... so, if that is the case then that means that one way or another, the Church itself is going to be in mortal peril. If our current leadership remains righteous, then they could very well be in significant danger from both the government and our own people in just the span of a few years. If they do not remain righteous, then it will cause a Great Schism within the church, and the church will be nearly torn asunder.

Yet the Lord will provide a way to weather the coming storm. The sign in the heavens that many of us have been discussing for the past couple of weeks (The one of the Virgin Giving Birth in Revelations 12) is one of the signs of way which the Lord will provide to signal the way for us to weather the coming days. The sign on 9/23 speaks of the coming of a young man who will be a forbearer to the Lord's second coming, even as John the Baptist was a forbearer to Christ's mortal ministry. This man is known by many names: the Josephite, the Archangel Raphael, Elias: the Son of the Morning, the Soul of Iron, The Last Prophet of the Last Dispensation, The Lord's Maverick, The Lord's Wild Card, and The Marred Servant.

The Marred Servant has several other signs and signature actions by which you can recognize him:
He was one of the Great and Noble ones in the Premortal Realm. His loyalty and closeness to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ during the war in heaven earned him the title of Son of the Morning, taken from Lucifer when he was cast out. It is possible that the Marred Servant is actually the Archangel Raphael. (Personal Revelation revealed this... but I could also cite Abraham 3, as it seems to indicate that most prophets are chosen from among the Great and Noble Ones.)
He will be a descendant of Joseph or Hyrum Smith, and thus be a descendant of Joseph who was sold into Egypt. He will also have the blood of Judah flowing through his veins. For this reason he shall be called the Josephite. (Personal Revelation combined with an alternative interpretation of Isaiah 11:1-5, & D&C 113:3-6.)
He will take up the mantle of Joseph Smith, and finish what he started. At times, many will mistake him for being a resurrected Joseph Smith. Ultimately, this will result in the Restoration of All Things. For this reason he shall be called Elias. (Again, primary source is Personal Revelation. Related Scriptures would be dealing with Elias.)
He will break conventional thought, tradition, and culture within the church. His relationship with the Father is so strong that conventional thought within the church cannot adequately explain it. Thus he shall be called the Lord's Maverick and the Lord's Wild Card. (Personal Revelation talking about stuff that would baffle most members and turn our understanding of the gospel on its head. Conjecture: The marred servant is someone who destroys tradition and sets things right. See the point about one of his names/titles being Raphael.)
His faith and resolve will be unshakable... for this is the reason why he is known as the Soul of Iron. (Personal Revelation. Conjecture: you cannot do what he is going to do WITHOUT unshakable faith.)
His eyes shall burn with azure fire when he preaches the gospel. (Personal Revelation. Conjecture: It is well documented in scripture that some prophets sometimes go through a physical change that manages to evoke fear in the wicked. Nephi was one of these prophets, and so too was Joseph Smith. It is reasonable to assume that the Marred Servant would have a similar ability. Eyes that glow with a flaming blue light would be one of the changes brought upon by the spirit when he is preaching.)
His voice will be like a thundering lion to the wicked, while like a lamb to the righteous. In this voice will he urge many to repent. (Primarily personal revelation. But again, there are documented accounts in the scriptures of prophets speaking "in a loud voice," so this isn't entirely unprecedented either)
Many will heed his voice, but many more will reject him. (Conjecture: In a day where most of the world is wicked and will harden their hearts, curse God and die, it only stands to reason that he would be rejected by many. Backed up by passages in Revelation.)
He will be taught in the School of the Prophets, and will be legitimately ordained as an Apostle of the Lord. His ordination will seem to be a miracle to the body of the church. (Personal Revelation)
He shall cleanse the church of any and all corruption, and bring us out of condemnation if we haven't already. (Personal Revelation: This goes back to the prompting that I posted about a while ago... the one where I relay that the church will only be brought fully out of condemnation when a righteous descendant of Joseph or Hyrum leads us as the prophet. Can possibly be backed up by the scriptures that tell of Christ cleansing the temple of the money changers. See #12)
IF (and that is a big IF) the leadership ever falters or attempts to lead the church astray during his ministry, then he will risk excommunication to set things back on course. If that happens... expect him to stand directly before the Twelve and denounce them. Nevertheless, he will work within the bounds that the Lord set forth in the D&C, whenever possible. (This one is entirely due to Personal Revelation. Conjecture: There are procedures listed in the D&C that were put in place to legitimately remove prophets and apostles from authority... why would those processes be put in place if the Lord had no need to use them? See #12.)
All that he does shall be done through legitimate means and authority... both within the church, and within God's Kingdom. (Conjecture: God's house is a house of order. Therefore, anything that the Marred Servant will do, he will do through the proper procedures and with the proper authority.)
He shall be marred, both physically and spiritually, but the Lord shall preserve him and will heal him. For this reason shall he be called the Marred Servant. (3 Nephi 21:10. Conjecture: Spiritual comes before physical... therefore, he shall be spiritually marred before being physically marred)
He will be comparable to many other prophets of old in both works and power, particularly Enoch. He will be comparable to Martin Luther with his desires. It is worth noting that many have stated their belief that Raphael may be Enoch... which makes this servant's comparison to him all the more apt.(Personal Revelation)
The Lord's testimony of thunderings and lightnings shall come through him, as well as from the Lord's voice directly. (Amos 3:7, D&C 43:17-18. This one is fairly clear cut.)
He shall have the miraculous gift to heal others as well as destroy. In fact, part of his mission is to heal the church as a surgeon would heal his patient through making a wound, removing a deadly tumor, then sealing up the wound. For this reason he will be called Raphael. (3 Nephi 21:10 indicates that the Marred Servant shall be healed by God after being marred more than any man.)
He shall have many spiritual gifts... including that of Dreaming and Prophecy. These gifts will start out somewhat erratic in his life, but shall manifest individually and become refined through practice and the guidance of the hand of the Lord. This will progress at a slow and steady rate, to the point where he shall eventually have access to all spiritual gifts by the time the Lord comes. (Some Personal Revelation, but Mainly Conjecture: Some of the points mentioned above are clearly a form of spiritual gift, such as being a Soul of Iron.)
He shall participate in the meeting on Adam Ondi Ahman, and shall be numbered among the 144,000. (Cojecture: With how much scriptural passages seem to refer to him, Joseph Smith, and the Davidic Servant, it is only natural to assume that he, and the other two as well, will be a part of the meeting with Adam and Christ, alongside all the other prophets and apostles.)
He shall lead the members of the Church back to Independence Missouri and shall establish the city of Zion. He shall be alive and on the earth when Christ comes. Thus he shall be known as the Last Prophet of the Last Dispensation. (Personal Revelation)
He shall stand on the Mount of Olives when Christ shall come (Personal Revelation: Might be literal or figurative.).
He shall not taste of death, but shall instead be translated. (3 Nephi 21:10 mentions that this servant's life shall be in the Lord's hand; this can hint at translation. Personal Revelation confirms that he shall be translated.)
Additional Clarification: A good chunk of these signs I cite are due to personal revelation combined with a bit of conjecture... so your mileage may vary. Scriptures can and have provided me some additional insight into some of these notes... but said insight is limited. I am working on adding scriptural references and notes on what is personal revelation and conjecture. It will be in bold.
Z2100- New stuff for September 23
Above the constellation Virgo, there is Leo the Lion. If the Times of The Gentiles end 23/9 the Lion constellation above Virgo can mean that the remanent of Jacob will rise up like like "lions in the forest" and "curse the gentiles with a sore vexation." Below the Virgo constellation is the "Balance" constellation (often seen in the supreme court). The balance could mean that the Lord will begin to judge the gentiles based on how they rejected the gospel.

Another thing I saw on the JST Revelation is that there was also another great sign in the heavens! 1/3 of the stars fell to heaven! This is also a physcial event that symbolizes the casting of the 1/3 out of heaven. We could see a huge meteor shower that is unpredicted by science.

In the JST of Revelation 12, he (JS) says "In the likeliness of things on the earth" which proves that this is both PHYSICAL and spiritual!

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Re: Revelation 12

Post by James-T-Prout » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:31 pm

The Revelation 12 Sign has now been seen. It was revealed on Sept 23,17 in the East sky near sunrise.

There is much to still be said about it...for years perhaps.

I wrote about this sign in the book that I authored. The Rev 12 Sign is one of the biggest events in the history of star signs. It was foretold for over 2000 years. It was even mentioned indirectly by the Savior himself. I've written about that too.

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It was even carved into solid wood by Christians hundreds of years ago, awaiting fulfillment today.

One thing is for sure; the prophecies are being fulfilled one by one from all the holy prophets since the world began.
The material above is related to a book that I authored: "The Last Days Timeline"

For up-to-date info see talk titled: "What the Scriptures Say About Donald Trump -How Long Will He Last?
www.LastDaysTimeline.com/donald-trump

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Re: Revelation 12

Post by Floyd » Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:17 pm

Thank you for your comments. I downloaded your timeline image. I look forward to your further participation.

I will watch your videos and try to get your book after watching conference.

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Re: Revelation 12

Post by James-T-Prout » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:23 am

Hi Thanks Floyd H.,

I saw your book order come through today.

Yep, remember the Last Days Timeline is a collaborative project. This is a way for all of us to get to a firm timeline of the future using the scriptures.

My own ideas don't matter to me. Just a firm solid timeline of the events, in order, of the last days leading to Jesus Christ's 2nd coming. I want this timeline to outlast me. And when I'm gone the way of all the earth, there will be another chosen who will continue the work.

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This work is for our children. Mine and yours.

I'll be monitoring the Celestial Forum for questions. So, as you read, go ahead and ask questions. (or ask on the www.LastDaysTimeline.com site too. The Contact Author link at the top.) Thank you.
The material above is related to a book that I authored: "The Last Days Timeline"

For up-to-date info see talk titled: "What the Scriptures Say About Donald Trump -How Long Will He Last?
www.LastDaysTimeline.com/donald-trump

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